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we live in a reality of phantoms and

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monsters they exist among us and

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sometimes they win

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even the devil was an angel once

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the world has its own rules

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and these rules are not human

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some of us seek answers to the origin

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and existence of cryptids in the

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unexplained

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join us as we venture beyond the known

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and accepted boundaries

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welcome to our nightmare i think you're

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of phantoms of monsters

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radio where we explore the strange

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and the unexplained

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i'm your host lon strickler thanks for

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joining us now if you enjoy our content

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appreciated

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so tonight i welcome my friend and

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colleague jeanette matacia lucas who is

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a forensic psychic crime profiler and

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treasure hunter now judet will be

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sharing some of her life adventures

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uh which is is like an open book with

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multiple chapters on the paranormal

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her work includes recovery of treasures

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owned by my boss al capone and his

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associate frank nitti

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the investigation of uh missing toddler

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kaylee anthony

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and yes the locating of the remains of

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missing congressional intern chandra

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these are just a few names in her

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chapters of successes uh jeanette is

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going to share with us some of her old

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and new finds both treasure hunting and

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missing persons

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now jeannette has been interviewed on

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cnn nbc fox tv

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and has

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uh been written about the washington

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post l a times new york huffington post

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in orlando sentinel mag uh smithsonian

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magazine as well as numerous books and

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other media outlets

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jeannette uses her dowsing skills

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intuition and dream incubation talent to

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successfully solve projects

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she is internationally known for high

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profile true crime cases

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treasure hunting and dream studies to

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predict future world events

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typically both believers and skeptics

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follow her postings and predictions

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so follows as we hear what she and her

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team are up to in 2022

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in the future

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and jeanette's website can be found at

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reach jeannette at

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reachjeannette.com

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so jeanette thank you for coming on this

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evening

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hey thanks lon

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it's good to talk to you uh well you and

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i talk a lot but

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i haven't interviewed haven't

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interviewed you much i think the last

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time was about two two and a half years

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ago

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so uh for those who aren't familiar with

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you kind of give us a thumbnail what

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how you got started and

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your background your father's background

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and such

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sure so

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my father in the early 1960s learned

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about a thing called dowsing and some of

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your listeners might know what that is

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and he was so fascinated by it he

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learned that you could find water using

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an l rod

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uh to to locate the water and then you

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could also use the same elrod

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to find missing persons or to find

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missing objects and the list is long and

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he thought well gosh the vietnam war is

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going on which ages us

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and he said why can't i use the same

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thing the same technique of dowsing to

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help with the vietnam booby traps and

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communication devices and rat tunnelers

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and uh so he decided to

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general staff

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from the pentagon come out and he showed

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him how it worked and said let's find

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water first that's the the starting of

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the foundation and then let's do this

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this and this and each one was a buildup

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of talent and then you would learn the

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the method of this is yes this is no

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this is danger this is a step away and

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so forth um and and anything in the

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paranormal has a pattern in my opinion i

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don't know what you think

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lon but oh absolutely i i you know

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everybody goes oh i get the vibe you

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know there is a vibe there really is so

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he uh sent the uh filming of the

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uh dream work and because he dealt with

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the are organization

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and then he was big into uh he had just

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started learning about the machines or

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tools equipment to hear the other side

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back in the 60s and he was hanging

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around some political uh figures

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like oh you know you grow up and your

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dad's a cop you're going to be thrown

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into the criminology your dad's you know

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a teacher you're going to learn more

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about education so i sort of fell into

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the paranormal and the next thing you

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first near-death experience

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um and and

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i almost drowned and um i was saved by a

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who was uh angelic-looking and um so

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to be able to recognize what you're

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so i really didn't tell anybody but i i

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finally told my sister and she said you

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know i almost drowned in the same lake

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and i had the same experience

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and i thought okay so then your mind

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starts clicking i know it's early at age

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seven but uh both of us and that was my

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twin at the time

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and she said it was angelic and i

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thought it was a ghost or is it an angel

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the category of angel and after that my

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life sort of just spiraled in the

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direction of the paranormal but

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it didn't pay the bills when you grow up

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you know i was in high school

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i got a laugh i was in like third grade

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and doing psychic readings periodically

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which was really pretty darn good back

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in the 60s and 70s

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um but it wasn't consistent so i took a

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and of course that's a

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different career in itself

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and um i eventually thought you know i

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an accident and i was in the hospital

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and had a near death in the hospital my

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kidneys collapsed

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i had a very lengthy near death

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and um i haven't written about it yet

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but i'll get there you know um i have

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another book i'm uh the proposal is i'm

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on five chapter five so that's coming

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so you know so we'll jump around a

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little bit but um each experience i

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think we have and anything we do um adds

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on to your abilities as an expert

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eventually and i i really adore the uh

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paranormal the whole plethora it's just

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amazing to me and that's why i call you

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and bug you hey what's going on with

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bigfoot because i i i definitely

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i'm definitely not an expert but i'm

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always dying to hear what's going on and

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what are they up to what do they find

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it's it's it's like going to a museum oh

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what's down that hall you know what's

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and um so i had some odd experiences

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so i guess a total of at least three or

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four near deaths and uh dealt with it

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it it was like reading a chapter of a

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book or reading a book

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and then um eventually they told me my

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whole life would change at 27 which was

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uh the experience in the hospital very

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lengthy uh near death

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and they told me my whole life was going

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to change right then

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and at 27 i became a full-time psychic

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and i made enough to survive

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being a psychic with an income

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so i i was one of the lucky ones but

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apparently i had a pretty highly

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which i should have been a little bit

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softer on

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i would do regular radio shows in the dc

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area because i'm from the dc area and

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people would would call in and say what

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do you think about this what do you

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think about that

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and people would call and say

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are there going to be any plane crashes

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and i would give some very serious

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commitments and dates and airplanes and

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airlines and say oh there's going to be

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a plane crash this date it's leaving

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chicago o'hare and it's crashing in

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and you know when when i predicted that

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particular one it was three in a row so

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there is a good bad and ugly in the

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paranormal and i tell people it's a

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really hard job it's not fun

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i i wouldn't push anybody into it it's

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regularly that's 50 of the business

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with um with the plane crash for example

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i noticed some of my abilities were just

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perception and then some of my abilities

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dreams and so i i did what i call drink

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dream incubation

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which i sometimes teach on the on the

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side and then i noticed that i could

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actually figure out a date and a time

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and so i predicted the fall of the

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berlin wall at a party and people

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thought it was crazy because at that

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time nobody thought the berlin wall was

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going to fall

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then i predicted 9 11 and i said well

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unfortunately it's going to happen

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september 11

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but it'll be in the newspaper september

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12th so i decided to start touching the

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and i started seeing more vision so i

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applied

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my talent with more tools

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so for example i tell people when you

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try to develop your skills

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you can use a newspaper you can do touch

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um you know they they have in the

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dictionary your clairvoyant your clear

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audience your clear click you know the

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list goes on again

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and i have a lot of those skills and i

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thought oh this is working so i just did

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add-ons and the next thing you know

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um i had

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bigger and better skills and then i kept

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produ predicting more and more things

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and for example if a client called me

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and said hey when am i going to start my

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new job and they'll i heard a date

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and so i actually hear information and

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i'll say oh feels like october second

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week of the month so i'll go october 9th

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around the ninth and i said it has to do

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with a company that feels like three

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letters so i'll say maybe ibm or

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you know

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exm or something like that so that

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helped a lot because clients knew what

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they were looking for and they know they

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would know which clients would respond

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with a good offer

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and so

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again i'm jumping around but i'm trying

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to give a broad perspective of you know

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in my world it's um it's a little bit of

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everything but

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i'm just super fascinated by cryptoids

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so that's why we talk periodically um

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but uh

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you know in my world i don't uh

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i don't run into kryptoids

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and uh you do

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and it's uh certainly very fascinating

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um but i gotta tell you i was talking to

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a friend of yours a new mutual friend of

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ours

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and we were talking about your talent

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there lon that you would get street

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names and dates and and information

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and

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i i learned from a journalist by the

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name of maureen seberg that that kind of

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psychic ability is uh only

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you can only own it by four percent of

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the the world only four percent of the

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world has it and i thought wow that's

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weird and because i used to call it my

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cray-cray ability and

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she said well your cray-cray ability is

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called synesthesia and i said oh my god

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lon has synesthesia

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and she said well what is that so i sent

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her a note on it and i said maureen

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seberg the journalist

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was writing for or may still be writing

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for psychology today

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and she writes about the various people

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that have synesthesia or they got into

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an accident and came down with

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synesthesia um

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now

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uh you might have gotten your you may

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have already had your synesthesia for a

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long time which is the numbers and the

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names and all that or either because you

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saw bigfoot and you were standing there

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and

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uh you might you might have gotten

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scared to death

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look at mr bigfoot

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and and and gotten synesthesia i'm not

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really quite sure how it happens or

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affects the brain but apparently

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according to maureen there's um

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a hundred different types of synesthesia

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but um i definitely think it's a uh

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add-on to your chromosomes it's super

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interesting i believe she's writing more

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than one book about it and she has it of

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course she has it of course

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so uh how do you feel about do you are

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you of in fear of seeing names and

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and hearing i assume you hear uh

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information right

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i see it in my mind's eye

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uh it's just like

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well you know you've been talking to my

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friend jen the last couple of days

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and it's interesting enough when i when

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she first called me

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a name of her her previous boyfriend

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popped up and uh i asked her about it

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and i think i bought her over with it

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but uh yeah i mean that's what happens

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to me it happens a lot of times when i'm

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talking to people on the phone i start

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seeing images i start seeing past past

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events with them

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uh

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so yeah i don't know how that it i now i

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had near death when i was about three

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i uh i was drowned

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and um

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now i don't know if it has anything to

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do with it

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but my first my first actual

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encounter

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with the with the unknown the paranormal

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was i was about nine years old at

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gettysburg and that's really when it

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opened up for me and i started realizing

403
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yeah there's something going on

404
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uh-huh yeah so i've kind of you know

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it's kind of expanded and uh

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you know it's going through different

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levels you know but i've kind of worked

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on it and i use it for you know for what

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i do

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yeah you've written what eight books now

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nine books yeah nine books yeah and

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they're they're they're again you open

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it up and it's a museum you're walking

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in and

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you know unfortunately some of your

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stuff is super scary so you know a lot

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of people are apprehensive you know i'm

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i'm i'm not on the fence with most of it

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some of it it's i'd like to stay on the

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fence so i'm not too scared

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um because some of the cryptoids are

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certainly

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unexplainable like

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you're sitting there watching the

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scenario if you see a documentary and

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you're thinking to yourself what is that

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and you can't explain it it's it's it's

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it's

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but well

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you know the thing is uh with cryptids

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uh

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for those who have been fortunate enough

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to have an encounter and i've been

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fortunate enough to have two encounters

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uh

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i i i know that i'm dealing with some

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it's it's not that easy even for people

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that do investigate it and have been you

439
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know caught the bug and investigated

440
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uh they have a lot of questions uh

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are i mean

442
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dude are they really investigating

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something that's actually there

444
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uh i know for a fact that it it does

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exist

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and uh

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i i think that makes it different but

448
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then again my perspective i get a better

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perspective than most people because

450
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i've had the encounter so i know how

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people deal with it and how they react

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to it

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so um that i think that's a big help and

454
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i think it kind of helps me expanding

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myself

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i've been through a lot of

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a lot of different like i said a lot of

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different levels

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in as far as uh

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using

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my intuition

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my clear sentence to to work

463
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work cases and investigation

464
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yeah i i think it definitely helps you

465
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can watch some of these tv shows

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and i give them kudos for doing some of

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the things they do because

468
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you know you got to have

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the kudos to get out there and say okay

470
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i'm gonna do this but those people and

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and people joke about them you know some

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of them are heavy and and i say listen

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they're out there kicking it doing an

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investigation

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they're in the thick of the scary stuff

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getting scratched um

477
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you know all sorts of strange things

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from screams

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to to um

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go into your car after you're done and

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all of a sudden you see something in the

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in the driveway and one minute it'll be

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the shadow

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person

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um

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or it'll be

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you know some kind of ghostly apparition

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or sometimes it's 4d where you can see

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through the person and you're thinking

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to yourself okay did i see that so you

491
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always have to ask your friend hey did

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you see what i just saw

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yeah are we insane or what but no

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collectively i think i think there's

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definitely a lot out there we can't

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explain

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um but it's certainly fascinating you

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know

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so when did you start getting involved

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well i really probably haven't told a

501
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lot of people about this but when i was

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14 i went with my father to a class

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in maryland where he was teaching a

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dowsing class

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and we got to spend the night at one of

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the

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attendees houses

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and um so

509
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i was in my own room as a guest i was a

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big house

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and i woke up from a very extreme dream

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and i had to run over and wake up my dad

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i said dad i had the most frightening

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dream and i explained i was seeing a

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family of five

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i was seeing that one of the kids out of

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the family of five was murdered

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and everybody thought the parents did it

519
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but i said no it's not the parents he

520
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was in the orchard and got killed but i

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i think i thought it was a neighbor and

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that was what was implied and they were

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i said they're living on a hill

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in a trailer and not very far from here

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and uh it's a young boy so i'm going to

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say

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i'll guesstimate from my memory about 10

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and i said i think the person that

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killed him might have been an autistic

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kid

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and the family hid the body because they

532
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didn't want the autistic kid to get in

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trouble and you know autistic children

534
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if it's severe enough

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they're not fully aware of the fact that

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they have tremendous strength

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and um you know people do prosecute them

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but they really don't belong in a person

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they belong in a you know a

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psychiatric hospital i mean i do have

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compassion for that situation

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but um

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so i gave a lot more detail

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and um i guess that morning about eight

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o'clock so i went back to bed and about

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eight o'clock the woman where we were

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staying as a guest

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got a phone call from a local police

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officer saying we have a missing kid can

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you come out and help us

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and marlene said really and she had

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heard what what the the dream i had

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mentioned to my father

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and um she goes well come on over here

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and let me tell you what my little guest

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just said

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and i had what i had done was in the

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morning at breakfast i was drawing

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pictures of everything

560
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not because of the police i didn't know

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they were coming

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so he comes over and has coffee and

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he picks up one of the pictures and he

564
00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:52,880
goes what is this and it was a house

565
00:20:58,149 --> 00:20:55,840
that was square it was made of stone and

566
00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:58,159
it had a half moon driveway

567
00:21:02,950 --> 00:20:59,919
and in the center of the driveway was

568
00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:02,960
the only tree on the lot and um a water

569
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:03,840
fountain

570
00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:05,840
and i said oh this is where we're going

571
00:21:10,310 --> 00:21:08,320
next and he goes what do you mean we i

572
00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:10,320
said i i don't know i guess we're just

573
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:11,600
going here

574
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:14,640
and i was 13 or 14 and

575
00:21:18,390 --> 00:21:16,880
he goes uh okay so let's go there and i

576
00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:18,400
said well what do you mean and he goes

577
00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:20,240
let's go so my father

578
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:22,240
uh marlene who was also a psychic and

579
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:24,080
did work for the police department we

580
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:26,159
got in the car and went to

581
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:28,799
this house with the stone building it

582
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:30,720
was very specific well it turns out they

583
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:32,799
caught that was the cops house and he

584
00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:35,200
was a little floored oh my god you she

585
00:21:37,909 --> 00:21:37,039
she drew this house that's exactly

586
00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:37,919
square

587
00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:40,960
only one tree one water fountain

588
00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:43,120
all the details he he just said i've

589
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:44,799
never seen anything like that

590
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:48,640
so um so that was my first police job

591
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:51,280
and the story of the missing boy was

592
00:21:55,669 --> 00:21:53,520
all true and accurate but

593
00:21:57,669 --> 00:21:55,679
um at the time um

594
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:57,679
in maryland i'm not sure that was in the

595
00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:00,720
early 70s i guess they didn't use canine

596
00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:03,280
that much i think had to use canine or

597
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:05,360
if they use k9 now they'll probably find

598
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:06,320
the boy

599
00:22:12,149 --> 00:22:07,120
but

600
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:12,159
hill they did live in a trailer um they

601
00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:14,640
did have five kids and their neighbor at

602
00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:16,480
the other side of the the apple orchard

603
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:18,320
was autistic and he was one of the

604
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:20,720
suspects they originally suspected the

605
00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:22,320
family but i said no it's the artistic

606
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:24,320
boy on the other side of the apple apple

607
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:26,159
orchard and they said well how would you

608
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:27,840
know about that i said i was told in a

609
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:29,440
dream last night

610
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:31,280
now i don't know how what happened to

611
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:33,840
you after you're drowning but i think

612
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:35,280
there's some kind of

613
00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:37,840
oxygen deprivation or

614
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:39,679
uh change in the brain cells i'm not

615
00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:41,440
really quite sure but

616
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:44,080
definitely the pictures the

617
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:46,960
the um the visions grew

618
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:48,880
bigger and better all the time year

619
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:50,320
after year

620
00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:52,080
because the drowning

621
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:53,120
so

622
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:56,000
you said you're getting pictures too in

623
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:57,520
your head correct

624
00:23:01,590 --> 00:22:59,360
oh yeah i get a um

625
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:01,600
i i get specific

626
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:06,000
uh images of things or people and

627
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:08,640
the names just kind of pop up there i

628
00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:10,799
mean i mean i literally see the

629
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:13,280
the names and block letters

630
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:15,039
and um

631
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:17,520
i see a lot of colors too and every time

632
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:19,440
i've been able to associate the colors

633
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:20,880
with certain

634
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:25,520
spared energy vibrations and such so

635
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:28,000
i i define it too which i i think is

636
00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:30,720
very helpful i mean i joke with people i

637
00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:31,760
say

638
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:33,440
green is one of my favorite colors it's

639
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:35,280
kelly green whenever i see that in an

640
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:37,360
immense amount of color i know i'm going

641
00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:40,480
to get a big job in a big project

642
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:42,880
because i am a treasure hunter

643
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:44,720
it also means to me that i might be

644
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:47,200
finding the treasure

645
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:49,200
uh immediately

646
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:51,600
to this morning i saw green and i saw

647
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:54,640
like cobalt blue cobalt blue can be

648
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:56,400
multiple amount of things which is like

649
00:24:04,789 --> 00:23:57,679
a

650
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:04,799
person who's ill

651
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:06,559
and so i know a person is going to call

652
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:08,400
them up and want to talk to me about

653
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:10,640
their illness and that kind of thing i

654
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:13,039
don't like talking about illness i don't

655
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:15,200
like like talking about the fact that

656
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:17,039
people are going to pass and all that

657
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:19,039
but sometimes we have stories and i'll

658
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:21,360
explain you know one of them for example

659
00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:23,279
so let's say i saw purple and i have a

660
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:25,600
client that came in and i said oh you're

661
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:28,640
gonna talk to me about your um

662
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:30,640
your ill husband and she goes no he's

663
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:33,520
fine and i and i this was years ago and

664
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:36,159
i said uh okay so

665
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,039
i'm going to tell you right now you

666
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,600
better insure him i don't know that he

667
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:41,600
even has a year left

668
00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:43,360
and i said you know he's seeing other

669
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:45,200
women no i didn't know that and i said

670
00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:48,000
well when he dies you're going to find

671
00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:50,240
he has presents for the girl underneath

672
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:52,480
the passenger seat that he didn't get

673
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:54,320
the chance to deliver

674
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:56,960
and she said what i said yes so go

675
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:59,760
insure him she was so pissed she insured

676
00:25:02,149 --> 00:25:01,360
him for a couple million and he signed

677
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:02,159
it

678
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:04,240
and um he

679
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:05,679
in about eight months he died of a

680
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:08,000
massive heart attack so she put her son

681
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:09,440
through law school

682
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:11,360
and he had screwed up the will and

683
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:13,760
everything so she couldn't get anything

684
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:16,000
and the son was a lawyer so he he made

685
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:18,400
sure she got her money

686
00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:20,799
and they went through his car and in the

687
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:23,200
passenger seat underneath the seat he

688
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:25,039
had some jewelry for his new girlfriend

689
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:27,039
with her name and everything

690
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:29,760
and you gotta laugh lonnie it's it's a

691
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:31,360
part of life you know

692
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:33,200
and um i mean i have a lot of those

693
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:35,360
weird stories sometimes i can say oh

694
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:38,000
yeah the death is very very soon um

695
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:39,760
sometimes it's drawn out sometimes it's

696
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:40,720
not

697
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:42,960
i had a sad story with a client where

698
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:44,720
purple came in and

699
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:46,960
um this was a regular client of mine

700
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:49,760
from south carolina and i said

701
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:52,480
did she had come in um

702
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:54,080
when she had first got married and i

703
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:55,520
said your husband doesn't have a long

704
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:58,480
life if you can afford it purchase

705
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,720
really big life insurance because you

706
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:02,880
will be on your own i said i your sons

707
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:05,279
look really short so i i don't it might

708
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:08,080
be when they're 10 ages 10 to 15. i said

709
00:26:13,269 --> 00:26:10,400
that's a broad year time frame but

710
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:13,279
i didn't even know her sons were short

711
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:15,520
and that's why they look so young

712
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:17,760
but but he actually died when they were

713
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:20,880
15 and she had insured him

714
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:23,120
and so she won like you know like 2

715
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:25,120
million or something with the with the

716
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:27,919
insurance um and she got to retire early

717
00:26:33,029 --> 00:26:30,320
because it was so stressful he had um

718
00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:33,039
extreme diabetes and

719
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:35,760
oh it was terrible arthritis

720
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:38,880
so that was a unique search circumstance

721
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:41,760
um so that was the purple

722
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:44,320
sometimes purple comes in also when and

723
00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:47,039
here's a couple little stories um

724
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:48,799
i saw purple one morning and it kept

725
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:50,559
coming in and coming in and i thought

726
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:52,320
wow that's a big emergency because it

727
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:54,480
was so impacting on me

728
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:55,600
and

729
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:57,440
that morning i woke up from my daughter

730
00:27:01,669 --> 00:26:58,720
screaming

731
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:01,679
and she apparently had pulled a muscle

732
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:03,840
so bad i had to literally put her in the

733
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:07,360
car rush her to the hospital and she she

734
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:09,360
i guess it was just so incredibly

735
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:10,559
painful

736
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:11,360
that

737
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:13,919
i'm the so the purple is a confirmation

738
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:15,679
to me oh yes you're going to have to

739
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:18,960
deal with a client or a family member

740
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,799
with a medical problem and that's what i

741
00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:22,559
had to do that morning

742
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:24,399
um i mean i've had those weird

743
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:26,000
circumstances

744
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:28,240
um and then of course i have

745
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:31,120
odd situations where somebody will call

746
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:32,960
and say how long do you think my husband

747
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:34,559
has and i'll say well here's the good

748
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:35,360
news

749
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:37,600
if you consider looking at these five

750
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:39,360
doctors in these different categories

751
00:27:43,750 --> 00:27:41,120
you could save your husband

752
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:43,760
and so some women will do whatever they

753
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:46,080
got to do to save their husband i have

754
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:48,080
one right now who's trying really hard

755
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:50,159
to get him to the right people and i'm

756
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:52,640
gonna cross my fingers because uh

757
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,559
he is severely ill

758
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:56,559
and um but there's so many good

759
00:28:03,190 --> 00:27:59,520
alternative options for cancer or

760
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:03,200
for whatever else he has so um that

761
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:05,600
that's the good news on on the cancer

762
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:08,720
level um there was just for your your

763
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:10,399
clients or listeners there's so many

764
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:13,120
good cbd gummies out there now that are

765
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,399
very helpful with cancer and legally i

766
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:18,480
can't give diagnosis no treatment but

767
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:21,200
they can do the research and see what

768
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:22,960
they need for their loved one or

769
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:25,360
themselves but there are some really

770
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:28,799
great uh gummies or cbds that will will

771
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:31,360
really make a difference

772
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:33,520
yep good good stuff

773
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:35,360
so those are you know the so the first

774
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:37,760
case i worked on was when i was really

775
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:40,240
young and my father wasn't one to go

776
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:44,080
public um on my casework because um my

777
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:46,720
mom kept saying she called me a freak i

778
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:50,559
was uh one of uh five and um i think my

779
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:52,080
both my parents had a little bit of the

780
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:54,159
ability um

781
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:58,480
my i'm a twin she has a little bit um my

782
00:29:02,149 --> 00:29:00,240
brother used to call me with a dream and

783
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:02,159
say oh i had a dream about this this and

784
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:04,799
this and i would i would analyze it and

785
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:06,640
say oh it means this

786
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:08,720
um and then other times my brother

787
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:10,320
wouldn't move on it he would tell me

788
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:13,200
about after the fact we had an aunt who

789
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:15,760
got killed um and you could almost say

790
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:18,320
murdered and what happened was he had

791
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:20,480
the dream and he um

792
00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:22,640
he had a dream that they were going down

793
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:24,840
to the basement and he said the flu was

794
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:27,520
clogged and because of that there was a

795
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:29,520
death that he didn't know who and he

796
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:31,279
knew which house it was because i had a

797
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:33,679
grandmother with a victorian home

798
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:34,799
and

799
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:36,960
my aunt died he didn't

800
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:39,679
he didn't move on it and clean the flu

801
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:40,480
so

802
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:41,360
um

803
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:42,880
you know these are some of the weird

804
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:44,720
things that do happen

805
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:47,840
um so of course my my my abilities i

806
00:29:52,149 --> 00:29:50,159
mean i stick to where i'm an expert i

807
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:52,159
mean lately people have been calling me

808
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:54,000
for some things and i do turn them away

809
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:55,200
sometimes

810
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:57,919
or i can refer them to someone or i just

811
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:58,960
say

812
00:30:02,230 --> 00:30:01,440
this kind of job doesn't interest me

813
00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:02,240
um

814
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:06,159
yeah you know it's a

815
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:07,039
it's

816
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:08,559
my work is a little

817
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:10,240
more weirder than yours in the sense

818
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:12,720
that i have to deal with these clients i

819
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:14,559
mean you have to deal with witnesses i

820
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:16,880
have to deal with people that are in the

821
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:19,200
thick of it that are so traumatic

822
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:21,840
they're just so traumatized i mean

823
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:23,279
they're emotionally out of control

824
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:25,840
sometimes with the true crime case work

825
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:28,240
um so thank god i do treasure hunting

826
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:30,480
because it's a lot more fun yeah what's

827
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:32,640
that all about i mean i didn't i didn't

828
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:35,279
really realize you were into that until

829
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:36,960
last few years

830
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:39,840
so uh what uh how did you get started

831
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:41,600
and how that progressed and what you

832
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:43,279
doing now

833
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:44,720
so um

834
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:47,600
years ago i what i did with my father is

835
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:49,279
i would do a lot of his marketing and

836
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:50,399
booking for

837
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:51,919
lectures and that kind of thing and i

838
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:53,840
said well let's you know so i would sort

839
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:56,559
of i would cheat like while i give world

840
00:31:00,549 --> 00:30:57,919
world events i would give him

841
00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:00,559
predictions on his events and his

842
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:02,480
marketing and see what was coming up in

843
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:05,279
the world you know for the um things

844
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:07,360
that were of interest to people or what

845
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:09,840
were the new hobbies and i said dad

846
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:11,039
you're not going to believe it treasure

847
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:13,200
hunting is going to become a thing and i

848
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:15,360
said ghost hunting is going to be big

849
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:18,480
big big but not big yet and i said but

850
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:21,440
it's coming and so i got involved with

851
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:23,200
the fortian organization you know who

852
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:24,240
they are

853
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:26,799
and loved that stuff that was really

854
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:29,440
quite concrete people were great

855
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:31,440
authentic um

856
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:33,840
just the facts ma'am you know and and

857
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:36,080
then um

858
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:38,320
my dad i got my dad into treasure

859
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:40,559
hunting and he sort of

860
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:42,399
he sort of fell into it he was giving

861
00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:44,799
classes on dowsing and people would ask

862
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:47,679
him to work on their treasure hunt and

863
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:49,919
sometimes he found things um our most

864
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:51,760
successful stuff other than the al

865
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:53,360
capone job i did

866
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:56,159
was at the beach i mean we've my dad

867
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:58,159
found buckets of stuff

868
00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:00,799
and um we would we would narrow down the

869
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:02,559
day the time

870
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:05,679
the depth um and of course we have you

871
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:08,240
know america sells great metal detecting

872
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:09,519
equipment now

873
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:10,320
um

874
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:12,320
and i have a couple of guys that have

875
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:14,640
purchased expensive as it is it's still

876
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:17,279
worth it um they have purchased the

877
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:21,279
drones that have lidar or the

878
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:23,279
um magnetometers

879
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:26,320
and i mean so you can narrow down

880
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:30,080
literally with the gps so all gps areas

881
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:33,120
and fine stuff and um they're using the

882
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:35,039
same equipment to double check it you go

883
00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:36,880
out in the field and within seven

884
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:39,200
minutes you have treasure i mean it's

885
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:42,799
it's utterly amazing

886
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:44,799
do you ever do every metal detector you

887
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:45,919
don't

888
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:51,440
i have thought about it in the past

889
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:54,000
but i haven't done it um

890
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:56,480
i'm fascinated by it you know it's just

891
00:33:00,630 --> 00:32:58,399
like this whole oak island thing that's

892
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:00,640
been going on now for whenever you know

893
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:05,430
and uh

894
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:07,760
you know what's going on there now

895
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:10,080
and supposedly that something to do with

896
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:13,440
portugal and the templars and whatever

897
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:16,640
but um i i'm more interested i i could

898
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:18,159
care less if they find anything be

899
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:19,840
honest with you i'm more interested in

900
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:21,519
the history and some of some of the

901
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:24,799
things that are coming up with it uh but

902
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:26,799
um i mean if they find something they

903
00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:28,159
find something

904
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:30,159
uh do you have any thoughts on that

905
00:33:34,149 --> 00:33:31,919
incident

906
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:34,159
um they did call my dad and asked us to

907
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:36,880
work on their project uh years like in

908
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:40,000
their first year and they did not offer

909
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:41,440
compensation

910
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:43,279
and they they originally went to the

911
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:45,120
american society of dowsers which i

912
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:46,799
promote frequently because if you want

913
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:48,240
to learn dowsing that's where you got to

914
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:50,559
go what's so great about it it helps you

915
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:53,120
pinpoint both true crime missing objects

916
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:54,320
and treasure

917
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:55,760
and so

918
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:57,360
so they originally went there and they

919
00:34:01,029 --> 00:33:59,440
heard about my father from his

920
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:01,039
goings-on with

921
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:02,960
some true crime he didn't he quit doing

922
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:04,640
true crime he wasn't comfortable with it

923
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:06,320
after a while he didn't like the

924
00:34:10,069 --> 00:34:08,639
attitude with the police departments

925
00:34:12,629 --> 00:34:10,079
um and

926
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:12,639
so he he stuck with the treasure hunting

927
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,119
and with uh we did we did a lot of good

928
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:17,520
work with uh crystal mining

929
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:20,000
and we work with a guy out of arkansas

930
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:23,280
and um we would douse an area and dig

931
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:25,839
and sometimes we would find crystals

932
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:28,800
40 pounds 20 pounds 60 pounds i mean

933
00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:31,440
solid solid crystal shocking but

934
00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:33,359
it was really great stuff

935
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:35,839
um so on treasure hunting the thing

936
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,320
about uh for example one of my projects

937
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:40,240
i'll talk about two of them

938
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:42,720
and one of them is we recently found

939
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:46,240
last september um an oil lamp

940
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:49,359
uh from the 300s a.d in the new england

941
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:52,960
area and then he had his friends go out

942
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:56,399
with a boat with magnetometers and lidar

943
00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:58,240
and they actually found the ship that

944
00:35:02,390 --> 00:34:59,599
went with the

945
00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:02,400
uh the lamp the oil lamp so in the 380

946
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:04,079
time frame what they did was of course

947
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:06,160
they didn't like light bulbs so they

948
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:08,480
used an oil and a lamp and they would

949
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:10,800
light themselves like light the way to

950
00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:12,400
to get wherever they were going or get

951
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:14,800
to see the water and what was happening

952
00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:18,240
um but we have not moved forward yet

953
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:19,839
with that with the

954
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:22,160
the state curator but we're going to

955
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:24,320
have to eventually um they're going to

956
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:26,320
go out and do some more and the reason

957
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,800
we haven't moved to forward too quickly

958
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:30,720
is we've only found a few things the

959
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:32,240
lamp in itself there's only two in the

960
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:34,400
world that was amazing

961
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:38,400
um there was a a knife uh the ship is

962
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:39,760
intact

963
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:42,560
there was um

964
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:44,800
a penny well i can't call it a penny a

965
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:45,760
coin

966
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:48,560
and it was labeled 328

967
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:50,320
a.d

968
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:52,880
what civilization was it

969
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:54,400
i don't know it's you know i you know i

970
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:56,800
have a picture of everything um

971
00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:58,160
you know and if you get to the point

972
00:36:01,589 --> 00:35:59,680
where you're just too curious i'll hook

973
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:01,599
you up to my trailer hunter a lot of

974
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:02,960
them um

975
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:05,520
keep their cards close to their chest

976
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:06,720
um

977
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:09,760
for example so so on that one we're he's

978
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:11,359
going back out but we're going after

979
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:14,720
knight's templar we're going after

980
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:16,880
let's see some more al capone

981
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:18,960
items um

982
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:21,359
i not bugsy siegel i'm one of the other

983
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:24,160
guys that that traveled north i mean the

984
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:27,599
the um italians were pretty amazing

985
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:29,119
with their

986
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:31,119
um

987
00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:32,640
hiding of money

988
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:35,359
and um you know and i can't say much my

989
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:37,760
dad was italian

990
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:39,200
and um

991
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:41,440
i mean they just i mean he he always

992
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:44,079
taught us to hide stuff um i have i have

993
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:45,599
a little bit of a problem when i hide

994
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:48,240
stuff if i hide five items sometimes it

995
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:49,839
takes me a year to find the fifth one

996
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:51,520
because i hide it so well

997
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:52,960
um

998
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:55,040
yeah i unders i get that

999
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:56,800
yeah you put you like oh this is a

1000
00:37:01,109 --> 00:36:58,240
really safe place

1001
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:01,119
um i just hit the tv remote and i'm

1002
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:02,880
thinking i can't it's been missing for a

1003
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:03,839
month

1004
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:05,680
five other things i found them you know

1005
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:07,760
yay but

1006
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:09,599
after a while it's like stop hiding it

1007
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:12,560
so well um and i do i do use the dowsing

1008
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:14,800
to locate stuff which does happen it's

1009
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:15,760
great

1010
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:17,359
um so

1011
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:21,680
we're we're gonna go to press on that

1012
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:22,880
eventually

1013
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:24,480
um so

1014
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:26,480
i have another one where

1015
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:29,040
i have a guy out in the southwest and

1016
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:31,280
we're going after nephilim's which are

1017
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:33,040
the giant people

1018
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:36,480
and um years ago i guess in the 40s they

1019
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:38,480
found a few skulls

1020
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:40,400
from scientists and they rushed them

1021
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:42,320
away and and hid them

1022
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:43,920
uh i guess they thought the public

1023
00:37:48,829 --> 00:37:46,320
couldn't handle the idea of

1024
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:48,839
somebody being you know eight or 13 feet

1025
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:51,920
tall um so and that's one of the

1026
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:53,520
dilemmas you know the good the bad and

1027
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:56,240
the ugly of the paranormal is you know

1028
00:38:01,829 --> 00:37:58,560
um it's it's so complicated on my end

1029
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:01,839
it's it's typically very complicated um

1030
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:05,040
on on the al capone case i used dowsing

1031
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:05,839
and

1032
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:08,400
found over 60 bars of silver among other

1033
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:09,760
things

1034
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:11,599
in southern illinois

1035
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:13,680
and the client

1036
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:15,359
i wasn't there the client went to the

1037
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:18,320
area and i pinpointed a radius i said do

1038
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:20,320
a 10 by 10 box

1039
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:23,760
and um 10 foot by 10 foot and go there

1040
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:26,160
and he took lidar out um not i'm sorry

1041
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:29,359
not lidar um ground penetrating radar

1042
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:30,320
and

1043
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:33,200
um their first hit they dug like two

1044
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:36,720
feet and they found a trunk hood

1045
00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:40,000
and um when they did they pulled it up

1046
00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:41,680
and they said jeanette oh it's only an

1047
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:43,839
old trunk hood that's all you found and

1048
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:45,520
i said no why would i put you in the

1049
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:47,200
middle of nowhere

1050
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:49,680
on a farm and we know for a fact they

1051
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:51,839
were there we know for a fact this was

1052
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,680
one of their bed and breakfast

1053
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:55,920
and they said okay i said do the ground

1054
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:58,079
penetrating radar again

1055
00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:00,079
and they did and when they did they dug

1056
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:02,240
two more feet they had a reaction dug

1057
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:04,960
two more feet and found over 60 bars of

1058
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:06,960
silver from a

1059
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:08,880
robbery from the u.s government from the

1060
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:10,400
mint

1061
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:12,160
and that had to be an inside job i'm

1062
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:13,280
sure

1063
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:14,560
you know

1064
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:16,640
but i mean i do i do find stuff i mean i

1065
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:18,560
had a client in austria he found some

1066
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:19,440
things

1067
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:20,560
um

1068
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:22,720
so we find them periodically but for

1069
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:25,040
example i get calls on missing animals

1070
00:39:28,150 --> 00:39:25,920
which

1071
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:28,160
are pretty tough that that work is

1072
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:31,440
really tough stuff um the people are

1073
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:33,280
it's almost you know like let's say i

1074
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:35,520
have the client betty and she calls and

1075
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:37,599
her dog is missing i'm seeing a lot of

1076
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:40,480
kidnapping of cats and dogs um

1077
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:43,359
especially if it's a you know a purebred

1078
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:44,800
or something

1079
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:46,640
and it's it's really bizarre i mean

1080
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:48,800
people are reselling them you know oh i

1081
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:50,800
found this beautiful dog and well i'm

1082
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:52,000
sorry they don't say they found it they

1083
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:53,520
said oh yeah my mom doesn't want her dog

1084
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:54,800
anymore lie

1085
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:57,200
and they sell it for a couple grand um

1086
00:40:01,990 --> 00:39:59,440
for example russian blues those cats are

1087
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:02,000
worth two thousand dollars i know

1088
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:05,040
it's crazy i mean you've got a tomcat i

1089
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:07,839
i'd rather have my tomcat cries or not

1090
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:09,119
you know

1091
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:11,040
but i don't let my cat out let's put it

1092
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:13,440
that way

1093
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:15,760
your cat's an inside cat

1094
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:17,839
yeah well yeah yeah they have to get

1095
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:19,119
tortured by us

1096
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:21,040
but uh so there's some of the things

1097
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:23,040
that i do um

1098
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:25,280
i i'm trying to think what else i do i

1099
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:27,440
am yeah and i'm not always perfect at

1100
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:30,240
all my case work i mean i i do laugh i

1101
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:31,920
mean i had a woman call about some

1102
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:33,760
missing gold coins

1103
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:35,280
and

1104
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:37,920
here's one of the complications she said

1105
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:40,079
no i live by myself she lied she was

1106
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:41,760
living with mom and dad

1107
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:44,720
and i said so i need your street address

1108
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:46,319
and i believe at first she gave me her

1109
00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:48,400
apartment address where she lived by

1110
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:50,319
herself and then she moved back in with

1111
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:52,000
her parents and that's where all the

1112
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:54,079
gold coins were from don't give me the

1113
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:57,040
wrong information give me

1114
00:41:01,270 --> 00:40:58,880
how am i going to find your stuff if

1115
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:01,280
you're giving me the wrong location i i

1116
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:03,359
get that too you know when i'm at people

1117
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:06,319
you know i don't know why but people for

1118
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:08,640
whatever reason i don't know you know

1119
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:09,520
they just

1120
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:11,760
yeah it's complicated it's like come on

1121
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:13,520
dude you don't have to

1122
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:14,800
i'm not coming to your house i'm not

1123
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:15,839
going to knock on your door i'm not

1124
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:17,680
going to drive you crazy

1125
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:20,240
you know you met the alien okay i'll

1126
00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:22,319
write up the witness information that's

1127
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:23,599
all i want to do

1128
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:26,000
yeah i um i just had a nasty grant from

1129
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:28,640
a client this is a funny one this is the

1130
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:31,359
ugly on on some of the paranormal um i

1131
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:34,000
did a job and she wrote her sister a

1132
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:36,319
nasty note about me

1133
00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:37,839
and i gave her a really really good

1134
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:41,359
price on on her missing child adult

1135
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:43,040
child

1136
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:44,880
and um

1137
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:46,640
the daughter was found

1138
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:48,480
deceased unfortunately

1139
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:50,079
and the only reason they looked in the

1140
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:51,119
river

1141
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:53,040
with canine was because i said she's in

1142
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:55,920
the river further up west i said i can't

1143
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:57,680
tell how far because when a body is in

1144
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:00,800
the water it moves all over the place

1145
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:02,960
it can be thrown into little holes it

1146
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:05,440
can be thrown up on land everything well

1147
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:07,280
she wrote her sister nasty gram about me

1148
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:09,280
but guess what she accidentally sent it

1149
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:10,480
to me

1150
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:12,079
and i thought oh my god

1151
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:14,079
oh god what that

1152
00:42:19,349 --> 00:42:16,319
you know so so i was like okay gotta

1153
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:19,359
back off from this family so again good

1154
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:21,280
bad and ugly you know other and other

1155
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:23,520
people uh i will tell you i have people

1156
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:26,319
that treat me really great um i don't

1157
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:28,880
charge a ton of money and i love what i

1158
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:29,680
do

1159
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:30,800
you know

1160
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:32,400
yeah i know you do

1161
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:34,640
uh i've got some people asking in the

1162
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:37,359
chat about the uh the nephilim and the

1163
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:38,400
giants

1164
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:39,680
can you kind of

1165
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:42,000
go into more detail with that

1166
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:45,440
well um what i do is um first what i

1167
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:46,880
like to do with any kind of treasure and

1168
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:50,000
nephilim's or treasure is um you have to

1169
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:52,480
say all right so with was there previous

1170
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:55,520
uh remains found in the area so i have a

1171
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:58,720
guy in in the southwest and he said yeah

1172
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:01,280
they they have it we've got proof um the

1173
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:04,000
smithsonian has some of the bones

1174
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:06,640
and um i have a new contact there

1175
00:43:11,349 --> 00:43:10,319
and um so they dug up some of the bones

1176
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:11,359
uh

1177
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:13,119
now it could be there's ten bodies but

1178
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:15,280
they only dug up five and they shipped

1179
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:17,760
him off to dc but dc shipped him off to

1180
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:19,040
front royal

1181
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:21,280
and so that was the chain of command

1182
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:22,640
and so

1183
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:25,280
um i he and i are gonna go after it only

1184
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:28,400
for the historical part of it

1185
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:31,040
and hoping that the smithsonian stops

1186
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:32,560
hiding it and

1187
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:34,800
shares it with the public

1188
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:35,920
i don't think there's going to be any

1189
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:38,400
money in it but it's fun

1190
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:41,440
and the client has the magnetometer and

1191
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:43,599
it's a drone um and i want to tell your

1192
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:46,079
cl your your listeners whenever you have

1193
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:47,440
a drone

1194
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:49,440
whenever you're treasure hunting you

1195
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:51,040
have to be really careful every state

1196
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:54,800
has a different law on uh drones

1197
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:57,520
so out west if you want to go to utah

1198
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:58,640
for example

1199
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:01,119
if you don't register your drone

1200
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:03,040
and tell them what areas you're going to

1201
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:04,960
you could get a ten thousand two hundred

1202
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:06,880
thousand dollar fine

1203
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:08,800
so i tell people be very careful because

1204
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:10,240
i know treasure hunters are always at

1205
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:11,359
the water

1206
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:14,560
um but they're now using the drones and

1207
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:15,359
um

1208
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:17,839
it's not worth getting arrested or not

1209
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:20,000
it's it's not worth to turn the stuff in

1210
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:21,920
if you find something historical take

1211
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:23,920
pictures of it send a press release out

1212
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:25,440
hey we found this

1213
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:27,280
and then turn it in but get your

1214
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,760
pictures or videos like your friend said

1215
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:31,680
jennifer

1216
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:33,440
and um

1217
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:34,880
don't get in trouble it's not worth the

1218
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:37,280
consequences

1219
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:41,200
so on the nephilims um all i know is

1220
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:43,440
we're looking for bones so i create a

1221
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:45,520
list and a protocol in order to find

1222
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:46,480
them

1223
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:48,800
unfortunately my guy in the southwest

1224
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:51,520
broke his leg in several places so as

1225
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:53,359
soon as he gets well he's gonna go out

1226
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:55,920
and we're gonna go after some uh

1227
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:59,119
we've got like five states utah

1228
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:00,319
let's see

1229
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:03,040
new mexico arizona

1230
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:04,400
colorado

1231
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:07,440
um and so we have definite sites and

1232
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:10,960
areas but i again i i pinpoint a gps

1233
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:13,920
area and say i want you to do a 5 foot

1234
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,200
radius or a 10 by 10 foot radius

1235
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:21,599
and i said just remember once you touch

1236
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:23,920
one you either have to stop depending on

1237
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:26,000
what the state law is

1238
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:27,119
and uh

1239
00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:29,599
you can either move forward or you know

1240
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:31,599
you can call the smithsonian or whoever

1241
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:33,119
but you got to have your documents ready

1242
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:35,359
to go so you protect yourself yeah i

1243
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:37,200
think you mentioned me earlier today

1244
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:38,800
about uh

1245
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:41,040
the guys you'll work with jim vieira and

1246
00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:42,480
those guys

1247
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:44,000
yeah i'm not working with him i wanted

1248
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:46,480
to talk to him about the fact

1249
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:49,119
that um i have some stuff in new england

1250
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:50,079
that is

1251
00:45:55,349 --> 00:45:52,880
300 a.d i mean it certainly helps the

1252
00:45:57,670 --> 00:45:55,359
state know that someone was there in 300

1253
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:57,680
a.d yeah

1254
00:46:01,910 --> 00:45:59,359
i mean i think they'd be interested to

1255
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:01,920
be quite honest with you oh yeah

1256
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:04,079
you know because you know even you know

1257
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:05,599
even these these guys that have been

1258
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:07,200
able to go to the island

1259
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:09,599
they're finding dates

1260
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:10,640
you know

1261
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,800
uh pre-templar and and a lot of other

1262
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:14,400
dates for a lot of other different

1263
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:15,520
things so

1264
00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:17,200
i don't know you know there's a lot of

1265
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:18,800
there's a lot we don't know about the

1266
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:21,680
history here here in our country i mean

1267
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:23,920
yeah it's just so much of that now you

1268
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,599
mentioned i i heard you say something

1269
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:27,599
about front royal do you

1270
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:29,280
does the smithsonian have a place in

1271
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:30,720
front rural too

1272
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:33,200
uh yeah when i was a kid um i was

1273
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:36,000
invited to the smithsonian to work on

1274
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:39,119
some um i think it was afghanistan um

1275
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:41,599
dowsing for them for water with my

1276
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:42,560
father

1277
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:46,640
and also some archaeological digs and um

1278
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:47,680
you know

1279
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:49,359
one thing about working for some people

1280
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:51,200
is they give you immediate feedback no

1281
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:52,880
you're right about this or you're wrong

1282
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:54,880
about that that kind of thing

1283
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:56,560
and um we were standing there and he

1284
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:58,400
goes well some of the stuff we have has

1285
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:59,760
to get shipped to front royal for

1286
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:00,960
warehousing

1287
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:04,400
and um so then we did the uh my my

1288
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:05,839
client out of

1289
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:07,680
the southwest

1290
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:09,040
in new mexico

1291
00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:11,440
said that the nephilims that they had

1292
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:13,280
were all shipped to front royal

1293
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:14,480
and that was

1294
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,400
some documents and then i talked to a

1295
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:18,480
friend of mine who's on the board

1296
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:20,640
as i got lucky and

1297
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:22,160
she goes yeah they have a warehouse out

1298
00:47:23,829 --> 00:47:22,960
there

1299
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:23,839
um

1300
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:26,079
i'm sure it's covert you know i mean

1301
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:28,079
nobody wants you to know it's there yeah

1302
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:29,920
i never knew about it

1303
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:32,400
oh yeah so again i get lucky right place

1304
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:33,520
right time

1305
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:36,480
you know it's interesting

1306
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:38,000
you know front row i used to hang out

1307
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:39,440
the front row a lot for a lot of

1308
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:41,040
different reasons but there's some weird

1309
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:42,400
energy out there

1310
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:44,800
you know for a lot of different reasons

1311
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:46,160
and i don't know if it has to do with

1312
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:47,839
the shenandoah and everything around

1313
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:50,480
there plus all the caverns and

1314
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:53,920
it's just a really bizarre area i get a

1315
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:55,680
lot of weird energy i feel when i'm

1316
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:56,720
there

1317
00:48:02,470 --> 00:47:59,040
well when i was a kid my father owned a

1318
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:04,230
outdoor outfitting company you ever

1319
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:06,800
heard of appalachian outfitters

1320
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:08,960
okay so my dad was the

1321
00:48:14,549 --> 00:48:12,559
original appalachian outfitters

1322
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:14,559
and so i mean i have pictures of us

1323
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:16,319
camping and that kind of thing

1324
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:18,000
that that's true child abuse we're going

1325
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:21,839
to take a mile walk eight miles later

1326
00:48:25,829 --> 00:48:24,160
so he was into backpacking he was a

1327
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:25,839
former

1328
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:28,319
cub scout leader boy scout leader eagle

1329
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:30,720
scout leader

1330
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:33,040
he was definitely into the outdoors

1331
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:36,800
and so he helped sell canoes kayaks

1332
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:39,200
um parkas all that kind of good stuff

1333
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:41,680
and he wrote four books on canoeing

1334
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:43,760
and those were quite good they were

1335
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:45,200
really good books because they were very

1336
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:47,280
detail-oriented

1337
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:49,119
his other books on treasure hunting and

1338
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:51,119
that kind of thing were edited by

1339
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:52,640
someone who didn't put a lot of effort

1340
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:53,839
in so

1341
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:55,680
the books will be helpful for treasure

1342
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:58,079
hunters there's not a lot around

1343
00:49:02,309 --> 00:49:00,079
i i don't have a lot

1344
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:02,319
i am working on a a new treasure hunting

1345
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:03,119
book

1346
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:06,000
um but there are definitely tricks to

1347
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:07,680
treasure hunting um

1348
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:09,839
but i will tell you some people

1349
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:11,440
it's not that they're not meant to find

1350
00:49:15,829 --> 00:49:13,359
treasure it's like hitting the lottery

1351
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:15,839
um i have a guy out of arkansas and he

1352
00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:17,599
keeps hitting tin cans

1353
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:18,559
so

1354
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:19,839
but

1355
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:23,520
detector that only goes two feet you

1356
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:25,920
know maybe i mean he was going after

1357
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:28,640
jesse james stuff i mean i can work on

1358
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:30,640
some cases and i say

1359
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:32,880
uh yeah yeah yeah you got something

1360
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:34,720
historical here

1361
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:36,160
you know but you have to make sure you

1362
00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:37,680
get all the right

1363
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:40,000
contracts dot your eyes and cross your

1364
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:41,440
teeth so you don't get arrested for

1365
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:44,240
being on the wrong property

1366
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:45,280
so

1367
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:47,680
yeah i go after almost anything within

1368
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:48,720
reason

1369
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:49,760
um

1370
00:49:52,710 --> 00:49:51,680
i get some really really wild phone

1371
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:52,720
calls

1372
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:54,880
no i imagine do

1373
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:55,599
so

1374
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:59,280
what's probably the most unusual case

1375
00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:01,040
you've been involved with

1376
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:06,390
oh i don't know i'm trying to i can tell

1377
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:08,000
you two or three short stories because

1378
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:09,599
we don't have the time

1379
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:11,040
um i

1380
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:12,880
one of my favorite good stories feel

1381
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:15,760
good stories um was a little girl went

1382
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:17,280
missing

1383
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:19,680
i guess she was in falls church

1384
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:21,920
and i i knew the father didn't really

1385
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:24,960
know the mom um they were separating and

1386
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:27,119
they called me you know terribly boo

1387
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:29,359
hooing beautiful little girl

1388
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:31,359
and um

1389
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:32,880
i had to stop everything i was doing

1390
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:35,119
because the feds had already flown in so

1391
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:36,800
apparently the kid had been missing for

1392
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:39,359
i think two days she left the elementary

1393
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:41,119
school so let's say it was monday she

1394
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:43,280
left the elementary school she was

1395
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:45,119
walking home and she disappeared on the

1396
00:50:49,829 --> 00:50:46,400
way home

1397
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:49,839
and so they came in so i guess they came

1398
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:51,680
in maybe thursday

1399
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:52,559
and

1400
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:56,480
stop crying let's focus

1401
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:58,480
and you know i mean i you know it's

1402
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:01,200
frightening and um i said let me think

1403
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:03,440
let me think and i don't remember if i

1404
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:05,359
had a piece of her clothing it just it's

1405
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:08,480
just an added plus to have that essence

1406
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:10,000
or that vibe

1407
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:11,119
and i said

1408
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:13,599
oh my god and she goes what did the

1409
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:15,280
pedophile get her

1410
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:17,520
i said no or you get it and i got the

1411
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:19,119
chills i get the chills every time i

1412
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:21,119
talk about it and she goes i got the

1413
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:22,800
chills what is it

1414
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:24,400
i said she's at her girlfriend's house

1415
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:25,839
hiding from you

1416
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:27,599
she goes what

1417
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:29,680
she goes that's not true she's six years

1418
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:30,559
old

1419
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:33,599
and i said nope she is living in the

1420
00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:35,920
shed behind her girlfriend's house

1421
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:38,720
because mommy and daddy are divorcing

1422
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:40,559
and she doesn't want to leave mommy or

1423
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:41,680
daddy

1424
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:44,640
and she's so upset all her girlfriends

1425
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:46,880
and i i said these are the girlfriends

1426
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:49,200
they all know and they're feeding her

1427
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:52,480
there so she's got a cot in the shed

1428
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:54,960
and so the mother was just burst out

1429
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:57,520
crying she ran over talked to the feds

1430
00:52:01,829 --> 00:51:59,760
they go this girl's full of crap

1431
00:52:03,910 --> 00:52:01,839
so they went back to the four little

1432
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:03,920
girls that were her best friends and

1433
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:06,160
they broke down crying

1434
00:52:09,510 --> 00:52:08,079
yeah she was in the shed

1435
00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:09,520
who would have thought

1436
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:13,119
years old so um that was a really really

1437
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:15,839
good story um

1438
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:18,079
it uh it breaks your hearts kids you

1439
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:20,240
know can be highly affected by a divorce

1440
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:23,839
but um that that really did happen and

1441
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:25,280
um

1442
00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:27,119
you know uh i don't know if it ever made

1443
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:28,960
that one ever it i didn't go public on

1444
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:30,800
that one because it was

1445
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:33,520
for the poor mom who was so um

1446
00:52:38,069 --> 00:52:35,920
freaked out about it that absolutely

1447
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:38,079
that was pretty rough i did work on one

1448
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:40,559
in woodbridge which was a sad one

1449
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:42,640
um i

1450
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:44,720
that one was that one was a learning

1451
00:52:50,549 --> 00:52:47,760
experience the shed thing was easy to me

1452
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:50,559
um and maybe the vibe was so good that i

1453
00:52:55,510 --> 00:52:53,040
i it was easy for me to pick up on

1454
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:55,520
the one in woodbridge was very very easy

1455
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:58,160
but it was sad because i had to tell the

1456
00:53:02,069 --> 00:53:00,240
parents their little two-year-old was

1457
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:02,079
deceased and drowned

1458
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:03,520
um

1459
00:53:06,790 --> 00:53:04,960
i said at first

1460
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:06,800
so what i do is i go by the first few

1461
00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:08,960
pictures and i saw a man looking at the

1462
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:10,880
little girl which made me worry about a

1463
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:12,640
pedophile

1464
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:14,800
but i said let me just keep looking at

1465
00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:16,720
the slideshow i'm seeing

1466
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:19,280
and uh i guess

1467
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:22,079
what had happened was i saw her

1468
00:53:26,309 --> 00:53:24,480
walking and walking and walking and she

1469
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:26,319
was by the river

1470
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:28,480
and then i saw her in water

1471
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:30,400
and she kept i kept hearing the word

1472
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:32,480
washing machine and you have to think

1473
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:34,880
outside the box well

1474
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:36,880
i said i i don't know why i want to say

1475
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:39,040
this but i want to go to the dam but the

1476
00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:41,200
dam was like one to two miles from the

1477
00:53:44,710 --> 00:53:43,359
house where she went missing and i said

1478
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:44,720
i want to go to the dam and i think

1479
00:53:49,589 --> 00:53:47,680
she's right there well i was unaware of

1480
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:49,599
the fact and firemen know this and cops

1481
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:52,640
know this but if children fall off a dam

1482
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:54,640
and they fall off a uh you know fall

1483
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:57,119
into the water or even an adult

1484
00:54:02,790 --> 00:53:59,680
um think of it this way the dam

1485
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:02,800
curls the water of the person in it like

1486
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:04,800
a washing machine

1487
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:06,960
so the body doesn't always get spit out

1488
00:54:10,150 --> 00:54:07,920
quickly

1489
00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:10,160
um the water the water cases are the

1490
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:12,400
hardest because sometimes it's stuck

1491
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:14,880
like i said in a hole or it's stuck in

1492
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:17,599
that washing machine or some you know

1493
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:19,839
like i have a that i had that other case

1494
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:21,839
and i think the body was caught up

1495
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:24,160
underneath boats and eventually the

1496
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:26,640
pressure from the water pushed her out

1497
00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:29,200
on this particular one eventually she

1498
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:31,040
was spit out

1499
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:33,760
but i had to tell the family that um i

1500
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:36,079
think they used canine on that one i had

1501
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:37,599
to tell the family because the husband

1502
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:40,559
was pissed the mother was on the phone

1503
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:43,040
uh this one did hit the papers with nbc

1504
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:48,390
and i said okay she's two years old

1505
00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:50,160
she's not being watched she's walking

1506
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:51,520
and walking and walking she sees the

1507
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:53,680
water you know how that is water water

1508
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:55,760
water flowers next to the water next

1509
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:57,359
thing you know she falls

1510
00:55:01,270 --> 00:54:59,680
into the water and she drowns

1511
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:01,280
and um

1512
00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:04,559
it broke up that marriage um it it was a

1513
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:06,319
tragedy that that mom was just

1514
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:08,880
preoccupied yeah and i'm not going to

1515
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:10,960
blame the mom because she lost her child

1516
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:11,760
too

1517
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:13,280
but um

1518
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:15,359
yeah water is not a little one's friend

1519
00:55:19,109 --> 00:55:17,200
you know for sure

1520
00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:19,119
so those are two of my

1521
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:20,799
children ones

1522
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:22,720
um

1523
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:24,559
i mean i could certainly go on and on i

1524
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:27,440
mean i i have case work that

1525
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:28,960
you know

1526
00:55:33,430 --> 00:55:30,960
some of your clients you become close to

1527
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:33,440
because they're just so nice

1528
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:36,240
um and they just they're relying on you

1529
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:38,000
to find their loved one

1530
00:55:42,549 --> 00:55:39,200
um

1531
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:42,559
but i mean i had a case where uh

1532
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:44,240
well i had two cases i'll tell you this

1533
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:46,480
when i it's a pennsylvania case that i

1534
00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:49,440
haven't gone public on yet um a woman

1535
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:50,960
disappeared i think it was right near

1536
00:55:54,789 --> 00:55:52,160
pittsburgh

1537
00:55:58,789 --> 00:55:54,799
and i was working with a community

1538
00:56:01,349 --> 00:55:58,799
member and a friend of the family and um

1539
00:56:02,789 --> 00:56:01,359
i was working a little bit with

1540
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:02,799
in in pennsylvania i don't think they

1541
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,520
call them cops they call them

1542
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:07,920
marshals or sheriffs or something yeah

1543
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:10,079
they they have different jurisdictions

1544
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:11,040
uh

1545
00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:13,920
well every township has a police

1546
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:14,960
department

1547
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:16,400
to it seems

1548
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:19,920
right so so what had happened was um i

1549
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:22,000
was talking to the sheriff and i said

1550
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:22,960
okay

1551
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:24,400
you know the reason i'm calling is the

1552
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:25,680
family member asked me to call you and

1553
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:27,280
talk to you and they said you would

1554
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:29,200
listen to me

1555
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:30,720
all right this is a murder this is a

1556
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:32,880
homicide and he goes are you sure

1557
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:35,280
because we think she just ran off and i

1558
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:36,720
said well you're prejudging this

1559
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:39,280
situation because she was a stockbroker

1560
00:56:43,829 --> 00:56:41,599
who who had moved down so she's making a

1561
00:56:45,270 --> 00:56:43,839
ton of money from new york city and she

1562
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:45,280
moved down to like pittsburgh or

1563
00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:47,280
something and she totally freaking

1564
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:49,520
disappeared house full of furniture

1565
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:52,319
everything was there her purse was there

1566
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:55,599
and um i said okay so here's the deal i

1567
00:57:01,030 --> 00:56:59,040
am picking up a location

1568
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:01,040
i said do you have a park there called

1569
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:03,119
george washington park and i don't even

1570
00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:04,720
know why i said it i just said i'm

1571
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:06,559
hearing so you have to pay attention to

1572
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:09,119
your perception so i said i see george

1573
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:11,760
washington and i think it's a park

1574
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:13,440
and in the park there's all sorts of

1575
00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:15,760
roads but she's

1576
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:17,680
next to the road that is a t

1577
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:19,760
intersection and it's the only road in

1578
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:22,880
the park that is a t intersection and i

1579
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:24,880
said next to it on the corner is a

1580
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:26,799
building that looks like it might have

1581
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:29,200
been a church at one time then it was a

1582
00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:31,680
museum and then it was an abandoned

1583
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:33,280
building and then it was something else

1584
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:35,440
so you get my drift

1585
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:36,960
but i said it's on the corner that's the

1586
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:39,200
intersection and i said either she's

1587
00:57:43,109 --> 00:57:40,400
right there

1588
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:43,119
or let's do this let's go three houses

1589
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:44,000
back

1590
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:46,079
on the road walking up to the t

1591
00:57:50,309 --> 00:57:47,440
intersection

1592
00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:50,319
and um

1593
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:52,960
i i didn't go that the community member

1594
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:56,160
got 60 people and they walked from the

1595
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:57,680
third house down

1596
00:58:02,470 --> 00:58:00,240
or six house down not very far so

1597
00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:02,480
they're they're like middle of a hill

1598
00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:04,400
and they're walking up hill

1599
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:07,280
and i said look all around

1600
00:58:10,950 --> 00:58:09,200
and when you get to that church you know

1601
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:10,960
you're gonna between now and then you're

1602
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:12,960
gonna see you don't even have to get to

1603
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:14,319
the dead end you don't have to get to

1604
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:16,400
the t intersection it's right there

1605
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:17,680
and so

1606
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:19,200
they asked me well who killed her and i

1607
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:20,720
said well on this one

1608
00:58:25,109 --> 00:58:23,280
she had a gay lover at one time

1609
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:25,119
and i believe the gay lover killed her

1610
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:27,200
but don't quote me because i see

1611
00:58:30,069 --> 00:58:28,720
something to do with a man that's

1612
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:30,079
involved too

1613
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:32,319
and they told me that she did have a gay

1614
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:35,040
lover and i said does the gay lover have

1615
00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:36,480
a brother she dated

1616
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:39,280
so the woman let's call her susan she

1617
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:41,440
was dating the brother periodically and

1618
00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:44,079
she was so she was bisexual and she was

1619
00:58:49,030 --> 00:58:46,960
dating the the gay lover which caused a

1620
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:49,040
spat of course

1621
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:51,280
and then um but the gay lover wanted to

1622
00:58:56,230 --> 00:58:53,520
borrow some money and killed her but i

1623
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:56,240
said the one who drives the green car is

1624
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:57,440
the killer

1625
00:59:04,789 --> 00:58:58,559
the

1626
00:59:06,390 --> 00:59:04,799
house that looks like a um i said i

1627
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:06,400
think one of them lives in a house with

1628
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:08,240
their mother and it looks like a split

1629
00:59:13,750 --> 00:59:10,799
level and she went up in the attic and

1630
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:13,760
put the gun right right inside the attic

1631
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:16,000
and um it was just like a slideshow boom

1632
00:59:21,510 --> 00:59:18,960
boom boom boom boom and um so the good

1633
00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:21,520
news is uh the 60 people were paying

1634
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:24,640
attention and the girl who killed her

1635
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:26,960
this is was in the search looking for

1636
00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:28,240
her

1637
00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:34,799
think don't quote me i think three

1638
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:35,920
months

1639
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:38,480
and so we were going in from october to

1640
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:40,160
to like this

1641
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:42,240
december january like right right at the

1642
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:43,599
end of december

1643
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:45,599
and she had start know what do you call

1644
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:47,200
it she had turned into you know she had

1645
00:59:50,309 --> 00:59:48,960
rigored you know she was really

1646
00:59:51,829 --> 00:59:50,319
um

1647
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:51,839
like frozen in time because they had

1648
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:53,520
already had some snow

1649
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:56,640
and so she goes here she is well

1650
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:58,400
when you walk up to the building that

1651
01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:00,720
was like a church it was an old church

1652
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:02,640
had been a museum had been all sorts of

1653
01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:06,720
stuff um there was an oil um you know

1654
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:08,640
one of those oil containers to heat the

1655
01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:10,400
building

1656
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:12,480
and she had placed the body between the

1657
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:14,400
oil and the building

1658
01:00:18,870 --> 01:00:17,520
and so they found the body in 20 minutes

1659
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and um

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01:00:23,829 --> 01:00:21,520
it was a sad story because you know

1661
01:00:25,109 --> 01:00:23,839
anger you know she needed money so she

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01:00:26,069 --> 01:00:25,119
went to her girlfriend the girlfriend

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01:00:28,789 --> 01:00:26,079
said no

1664
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:28,799
so she killed her and she killed her

1665
01:00:32,549 --> 01:00:30,240
with a gun they found the gun in the

1666
01:00:36,630 --> 01:00:32,559
house and she was the girl the gay lover

1667
01:00:38,470 --> 01:00:36,640
was the girl driving the blue green car

1668
01:00:40,829 --> 01:00:38,480
yeah yeah so you know that one just went

1669
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:40,839
to like a domino everything fell into

1670
01:00:44,549 --> 01:00:42,720
place um

1671
01:00:46,950 --> 01:00:44,559
and and of course again i'm not always

1672
01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:46,960
perfect i mean again i'll say no i won't

1673
01:00:51,589 --> 01:00:49,599
take the case or um like this past year

1674
01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:51,599
i just got a call on a very famous

1675
01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:53,359
worldwide case

1676
01:00:57,750 --> 01:00:56,000
and um to be honest with you i i said

1677
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:57,760
i'll call you back and i haven't called

1678
01:01:01,589 --> 01:00:58,720
them back

1679
01:01:03,910 --> 01:01:01,599
um the people are very scary

1680
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:03,920
and i i just don't if i want to move

1681
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:05,760
forward on that one

1682
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:08,400
you know because so far what three

1683
01:01:11,910 --> 01:01:11,040
people are dead um oh god

1684
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:11,920
yeah

1685
01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:14,960
fourth so i was like i'm going to let

1686
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:16,960
that sit you know

1687
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:19,040
exactly you know

1688
01:01:23,190 --> 01:01:19,920
yeah

1689
01:01:24,789 --> 01:01:23,200
so well jeanette i i'm gonna i we're

1690
01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:24,799
gonna go ahead and end the show just

1691
01:01:27,190 --> 01:01:26,160
tell people how they can get in touch

1692
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:27,200
with you

1693
01:01:29,910 --> 01:01:28,319
and sure

1694
01:01:32,109 --> 01:01:29,920
yeah sure

1695
01:01:35,950 --> 01:01:32,119
well i have a website

1696
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:35,960
reachjeannet.com r-e-a-c-h jeanette

1697
01:01:40,950 --> 01:01:37,680
g-i-n-e-t-t-e

1698
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:40,960
com or they can call me direct tomorrow

1699
01:01:49,030 --> 01:01:44,160
um i i start working at noon so eastern

1700
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:49,040
standard time on 571 358 1444

1701
01:01:55,190 --> 01:01:52,880
571 358 fourteen forty four

1702
01:01:56,950 --> 01:01:55,200
and uh thanks for having me lon

1703
01:01:58,309 --> 01:01:56,960
i appreciate you coming on we hadn't

1704
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:58,319
talked you know i haven't had on the

1705
01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:00,720
show a while uh we talk about a lot of

1706
01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:03,200
different things but uh

1707
01:02:07,430 --> 01:02:05,680
yeah so but i know we'll be talking so

1708
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:07,440
you know anything interesting comes up

1709
01:02:14,470 --> 01:02:08,240
and

1710
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:14,480
talk about it that's very nice of you

1711
01:02:18,829 --> 01:02:16,240
thank you elon have a nice night you

1712
01:02:22,789 --> 01:02:21,349
bye now if you have an unexplained

1713
01:02:24,470 --> 01:02:22,799
encounter or something feel free to

1714
01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:24,480
contact me through the phantoms monster

1715
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:27,599
blog site i want to again thank jeanette

1716
01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:30,000
for joining me this evening

1717
01:02:32,829 --> 01:02:31,760
and thanks to each and all you for

1718
01:02:35,589 --> 01:02:32,839
watching and

1719
01:02:37,430 --> 01:02:35,599
chatting uh your support is what makes

1720
01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:37,440
all this possible so please like

1721
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:39,760
subscribe and share

1722
01:02:43,270 --> 01:02:42,240
if uh you have a sighting or encounter

1723
01:02:45,589 --> 01:02:43,280
report

1724
01:02:47,910 --> 01:02:45,599
that you would like to be considered for

1725
01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:47,920
a personal report show or post to the

1726
01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:49,680
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1727
01:02:53,069 --> 01:02:51,760
feel free to uh forward it to my email

1728
01:02:55,510 --> 01:02:53,079
lawn strickler

1729
01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:55,520
familymonsters.com so

1730
01:03:00,630 --> 01:02:57,119
next friday

1731
01:03:03,109 --> 01:03:00,640
i welcome researcher producer and author

1732
01:03:07,109 --> 01:03:03,119
daniel allen jones to the show

1733
01:03:08,710 --> 01:03:07,119
his book aurora 125 years

1734
01:03:12,710 --> 01:03:08,720
of ufos

1735
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:12,720
aliens and a texas legend is from uh

1736
01:03:20,789 --> 01:03:16,480
i mean from 1897 examines the 125 year

1737
01:03:23,510 --> 01:03:20,799
old alien encountering ufo mystery from

1738
01:03:25,109 --> 01:03:23,520
the cemetery at aurora texas so we'll be

1739
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:25,119
discussing that

1740
01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:27,280
and a few other his investigations so

1741
01:03:30,789 --> 01:03:29,520
make sure you uh join us next friday

1742
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:30,799
night

1743
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:33,599
and uh then next wednesday we're going

1744
01:03:39,510 --> 01:03:36,640
to have another personal reports

1745
01:03:41,750 --> 01:03:39,520
uh edition so i'll go ahead and post i

1746
01:03:43,990 --> 01:03:41,760
have that posted pretty soon

1747
01:03:46,150 --> 01:03:44,000
and uh you know we'll have that up there

1748
01:03:47,029 --> 01:03:46,160
for you all to get a hold of it so um

1749
01:03:48,789 --> 01:03:47,039
again

1750
01:03:51,029 --> 01:03:48,799
until next week

1751
01:03:55,770 --> 01:03:51,039
stay healthy have a safe and enjoyable

1752
01:04:33,029 --> 01:04:01,030
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01:04:49,130 --> 01:04:35,440
so

1754
01:04:49,140 --> 01:04:53,750
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